It is also associated with the mother, maternal instincts or the urge to nurture, the home, the need for security and the past, especially early experiences and childhood. The 1st-century poet Manilius described the Moon, or Luna , as melancholic. In medicine, the Moon is associated with the digestive system, stomach, breasts, the ovaries and menstruation which does occur on a monthly cycle  and the pancreas. Despite Manilius's assignation, the Moon is commonly associated with the phlegmatic humor; it ruled the animal spirits.
In modern astrology, the Moon is the primary native ruler of the fourth house, but traditionally it had its joy in the third house. Dante Alighieri associated the Moon with the liberal art of grammar. In Chinese astrology , the Moon represents Yin , the passive and receptive feminine life principle. In Indian astrology , the Moon is called Chandra or Soma and represents the mind, queenship and mother. The north lunar node called Rahu and the south lunar node called Ketu are considered to be of particular importance and are given an equal place alongside the seven classical planets as part of the nine navagraha.
Mercury is the ruling planet of both Virgo and Gemini and is exalted in Virgo and Aquarius. In classical Roman mythology, Mercury is the messenger of the gods, noted for his speed and swiftness. Echoing this, the scorching, airless world Mercury circles the Sun on the fastest orbit of any planet. Mercury takes only 88 days to orbit the Sun, spending about 7.
Mercury is so close to the Sun that only a brief period exists after the Sun has set where it can be seen with the naked eye, before following the Sun beyond the horizon. Astrologically speaking, Mercury represents the principles of communication, mentality, thinking patterns, rationality and reasoning, and adaptability and variability. Mercury governs schooling and education, the immediate environment of neighbors, siblings and cousins, transport over short distances, messages and forms of communication such as post, email and telephone, newspapers, journalism and writing, information gathering skills and physical dexterity.
The 1st-century poet Marcus Manilius described Mercury as an inconstant, vivacious and curious planet. In medicine, Mercury is associated with the nervous system, the brain, the respiratory system, the thyroid and the sense organs. It is traditionally held to be essentially cold and dry, according to its placement in the zodiac and in any aspects to other planets. In modern astrology, Mercury is regarded as the ruler of the third house; traditionally, it had the joy in the first house.
Mercury is the messenger of the gods in mythology. It is the planet of day-to-day expression and relationships. Mercury's action is to take things apart and put them back together again. It is an opportunistic planet, decidedly unemotional and curious. Mercury rules over Wednesday. Dante Alighieri associated Mercury with the liberal art of dialectic. In Chinese astrology Mercury represents Water , the fourth element, therefore symbolizing communication, intelligence, and elegance. Venus is the traditional ruling planet of Libra and Taurus and is exalted in Pisces.
In classical Roman mythology, Venus is the goddess of love and beauty, famous for the passions she could stir among the gods. Her cults may represent the religiously legitimate charm and seduction of the divine by mortals, in contrast to the formal, contractual relations between most members of Rome's official pantheon and the state, and the unofficial, illicit manipulation of divine forces through magic. Venus orbits the Sun in days, spending about Venus is the second-brightest object in the night sky, the Moon being the brightest. It is usually beheld as a twin planet to Earth.
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Astrologically speaking, Venus is associated with the principles of harmony, resilience, beauty, refinement, solidarity, affections, equality, and the urge to sympathize and unite with others. It is involved with the desire for pleasure, comfort and ease. It governs romantic relations, marriage and business partnerships, sex the origin of the words 'venery' and 'venereal' , the arts, fashion and social life. The 1st-century poet Marcus Manilius described Venus as generous and fecund and the lesser benefic.
The planet Venus in medicine is associated with the lumbar region, the veins, parathyroids, throat and kidneys. Venus was thought to be moderately warm and moist and was associated with the phlegmatic humor. In modern astrology, Venus is the ruler of the seventh house; traditionally, it had the joy in the fifth house. Venus is the planet of Friday. Dante Alighieri associated Venus with the liberal art of rhetoric. In Indian astrology , Venus is known as Shukra and represents wealth, pleasure and reproduction. In Norse Paganism , the planet is associated to Freyja , the goddess of love, beauty and fertility.
The Sun is the ruling planet of Leo and is exalted in Aries. The Sun is the star at the center of our solar system, around which the Earth and other planets revolve and provides us with heat and light. The arc that the Sun travels in every year, rising and setting in a slightly different place each day, is therefore in reality a reflection of the Earth's own orbit around the Sun. This arc is larger the farther north or south from the equator latitude, giving a more extreme difference between day and night and between seasons during the year.
The Sun travels through the twelve signs of the zodiac on its annual journey, spending about a month in each. The Sun's position on a person's birthday therefore determines what is usually called his or her "sun" sign. However, the sun sign allotment varies between Western sign change around of every month and Hindu astrology sign change around of every month due the different systems of planetary calculations, following the tropical and sidereal definitions respectively. Astrologically speaking, the Sun is usually thought to represent the conscious ego , the self and its expression, personal power, pride and authority, leadership qualities and the principles of creativity, spontaneity, health and vitality, the sum of which is named the "life force".
One of the first recorded references to Sun worship is from the Mesopotamian Religion and described in the Epic of Gilgamesh. The 1st-century poet Marcus Manilius in his epic, verse poem, Astronomica , described the Sun , or Sol , as benign and favorable. In medicine, the Sun is associated with the heart, circulatory system,  and the thymus. Additionally, humans depend on the sun to produce and obtain vitamin D ; an important supplement aiding the body's immune system and bone health. In Ayurveda , it rules over life-force praan-shakti , governs bile temperament pitta , stomach, bones and eyes.
In modern astrology, the Sun is the primary native ruler of the fifth house, but traditionally it had its joy in the ninth house. The Sun is associated with Sunday. Dante Alighieri associated the Sun with the liberal art of music. In Chinese astrology , the Sun represents Yang , the active, assertive masculine life principle. Mars is the traditional ruling planet of Aries and Scorpio and is exalted in Capricorn. Mars is the Roman god of war and bloodshed, whose symbol is a spear and shield. Both the soil of Mars and the hemoglobin of human blood are rich in iron and because of this they share its distinct deep red color.
Mars orbits the Sun in days, spending about It is also the first planet that orbits outside of Earth's orbit, making it the first planet that does not set along with the Sun. Mars has two permanent polar ice caps. Astrologically speaking, Mars is associated with confidence and self-assertion, aggression, sexuality, energy, strength, ambition and impulsiveness.
Mars governs sports, competitions and physical activities in general. The 1st-century poet Manilius, described the planet as ardent and as the lesser malefic. In medicine, Mars presides over the genitals , the muscular system, the gonads and adrenal glands. It was traditionally held to be hot and excessively dry and ruled the choleric humor. It was associated with fever, accidents, trauma, pain and surgery. In modern astrology, Mars is the primary native ruler of the first house.
Traditionally however, Mars ruled both the third and tenth houses, and had its joy in the sixth house. While Venus tends to the overall relationship atmosphere, Mars is the passionate impulse and action, the masculine aspect, discipline, willpower and stamina. Dante Alighieri associated Mars with the liberal art of arithmetic.
In Chinese astrology, Mars is ruled by the element fire , which is passionate, energetic and adventurous. In Indian astrology , Mars is called Mangala and represents energy, confidence and ego. Jupiter is the traditional ruling planet of Sagittarius and Pisces and it is exalted in Cancer. In classical Roman mythology, Jupiter is the ruler of the gods and their guardian and protector, and his symbol is the thunderbolt. The Romans believed that Jupiter granted them supremacy because they had honored him more than any other people had.
Jupiter was "the fount of the auspices upon which the relationship of the city with the gods rested. His image in the Republican and Imperial Capitol bore regalia associated with Rome's ancient kings and the highest consular and Imperial honours.
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In the same way, the planet Jupiter is the king of the other planets, a giant in size with spectacular, brightly colored clouds and intense storms. Furthermore, Jupiter is usually the fourth-brightest object in the sky after the Sun, the Moon and Venus. Astrologically speaking, Jupiter is associated with the principles of growth, expansion, prosperity, and good fortune. Jupiter governs long distance and foreign travel, big business and wealth, higher education, religion, and the law.
It is also associated with the urge for freedom and exploration, as well with gambling and merrymaking. The 1st-century poet Manilius described Jupiter as temperate and benign, and the greater benefic. It was regarded as warm and moist in nature, and therefore favorable to life. In medicine, Jupiter is associated with the liver, pituitary gland, and the disposition of fats; it governed the sanguine humor. In modern astrology, Jupiter is the primary native ruler of the ninth house, but traditionally, Jupiter was assigned to both the second and ninth houses: the house of values and the house of beliefs, respectively, and had its joy in the eleventh house of good luck.
Jupiter is associated with Thursday, and in Romance languages, the name for Thursday often comes from Jupiter e. Dante Alighieri associated Jupiter with the liberal art of geometry. In Chinese astrology, Jupiter is ruled by the element wood , which is patient, hard-working, and reliable. In Indian astrology , Jupiter is known as Guru or Brihaspati and is known as the 'great teacher'.
Saturn is the traditional ruling planet of Capricorn and Aquarius and is exalted in Libra. In classical Roman mythology, Saturn is the god of seeds, crops, and the harvest agriculture , leader of the titans, father and founder of civilizations, social order, and conformity. The glyph is shaped like a scythe, but it is known as the "crescent below the cross", whereas Jupiter's glyph is the "crescent above the cross". Famous rings of the planet Saturn that enclose and surround it, reflect the idea of human limits.
Btw fire signs are very spiritual and imaginative in nature especially sagittarius. Taurus as an earth sign has the most material love of art and floods people in romantic luxury and security. Libra is the most peaceful and fair sign and will find the balance in any relationship and of course expresses love by maintaining the peace.
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So yet again, it all depends on how people interpret these things. Venus is certainly compatible with Pisces but I don't see it as necessarily its highest expression. The influences might or might not have been affected by that planet in that sign. It's very hard to isolate and measure each planet's influence on each sign by itself. Many other influences of course might have factored into the WWI and economic downturn of Neptune in Leo, but then the opposite is true and there might have been other planetary influences that allowed Leo to do so "well" and be so "creative" and "optimistic" since Leo isn't usually associated with those things on its own.
It goes both ways.
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An emotionally charged Leo isn't usually a "good" or "positive" Leo. The ego might not hurt Neptune per se, but it does hurt LEO and thus Leo cannot really benefit from Neptune since a big part of Leo's journey concerns the ego. As Leo's opposite, however, Aquarius is also the opposite of the ego and generally has the best interests of humanity at heart which is more similar to what Neptune does. I don't think Neptune dissolves Aquarius' "humanity. When Aqua would usually only rely on logic to accomplish his ends, it is now fueled by the desire an emotion to help people.
I read that Neptune was in Aquarius from to By and large, a more peaceful and somewhat economically stable time than when it was in Leo. Not that it didn't have its problems, too. But it was still better than a World War and the near collapse of the American dollar. Dissolving the logic of Aquarius seems to have better results than dissolving the ego of Leo who then does the opposite and without his own identity doesn't really care what happens to anyone else as shown by the breakout of WWI.
The ego not only helps Leo identify and thus grow into his own being, but it interestingly helps him empathize since its through his ego that he interacts with others. Without it, it's kind of a "watch the world burn" scenario where if he doesn't understand his own being, he can't understand those of others. I interpreted it as if anything Neptune steamed Leo's more aggressive side.
WWI broke out with Neptune in Leo and since Leo had nearly no control of his emotions and since water and fire are natural enemies, there could sadly only be war. You're right that dissolving logic isn't necessarily good either, but air and water seem more compatible to each other in nature neither could really overpower the other and in the zodiac as well than water and fire which naturally cancel each other out so either Neptune is left scathed or the fire sign is.
With water and air, they sort of help each other with neither being too extreme. Neptune's affects are less extreme and thereby more useful in air then in fire where its so emotionally charged as to have almost no self control whatsoever. Aqua is less logical but not not extremely so and Neptune is slightly more logical but not extremely so. It's a good balance of emotion WITH logic. Fire signs take emotion and either destroy it or are in turn consumed by it. Neither scenario with fire is good. I don't really see it, but maybe it's because I don't usually follow too much of modern astrology than I do more traditional astrology.
I actually sort of merge the paths into one weird thing, but that's another story. Sagitarrius is another strange sign that has changed from its original form in modern astrology where they rely heavily on its philosophical side and ignore its own tempermental qualities. It was actually considered half "feral" and this is probably because there was another constellation called Centaurus that people often confused with Sagittarius who people usually saw as the good centaur Chiron, when it was actually a representation of the actual aggressive and lustful centaurs. But of all the fire signs, it does have the best thirst for knowledge and desire for travel than Leo or Aries.
Actually Sagittarius has always been affiliated with the Centuars. The Centuars in greek mythology were considered the best archers and healers. And to be perfectly honest with you Neptune is a temperamental planet. Th God Neptune was responsible for earthquakes, floods, drownings, etc. In fact, he and his brothers killed their father Uranus.
They are not calm and steady. Water is a moody element, very similar to fire. To add, Leo has always been considered creative. In fact the lion was always pinned with the Roman God Bacchus, the God of the theater, the God of wine making, and religious ecstasy. His chariot was drawn by lions who were animals that represented him. Lions were always used as a form of entertainment in Rome and so has always been affiliated with the stage and the arts.
Even though some things you go by are traditional, some of the ideas you have are also new. Most traditional astrologers do not even consider the generational planets to have dignities. And they follow the old dignity system to not interrupt the balance that has already been set. I personally use old methods and understanding to integrate our modern world.
You don't believe Venus is in its highest form in Pisces? The definition of exalted means to be superior; placed at a high or powerful level; held in high regard. Venus is put on a pedestal when it is in Pisces. As a result the native is much more exaggerated and lovey-dovey. Physical luxury and comfort does not equal love. Neither does superficial compromise. Love is a feeling. Look up the definition of love When Venus is in Pisces it understands this to the most degree.
Venus is more comfortable in Taurus and Libra, but is not at its purest and superior form like it is when it is exalted. The great recession took place between present. I don't understand how this equals a stable economy. In fact, by historical record the Great Recession was worse than the Great Depression. Because the Great Depression took place during these years as well as World War II overseas before America joined the War , there was a strong lack of hope; the movies were filled with newsreels showing the horrific scene of the war and the great depression taking place around the world.
There was no mental escape from the reality of the situation. This is an example of Neptune at its worse state. Yes, I know. But there were TWO kinds of centaur and two centaur constellation types. The gentle philospher-healer and trainer of heroes Chiron who most traditions claim was actually the son of Cronus and a nymph thus making him Zeus' half-brother.
The rest of the centaurs by contrast were quarrelsome, lustful, rowdy, and wild because they were the children of attempted rapist Ixion and a cloud that he thought was Hera but was actually Nephele. And in modern astrology, it's Chiron's characteristics that are attributed to Sagittarius not his older attributes of the wild centaur that he had before. In ancient times, the constellation Centuarus was thought to be Chiron while Sagittarius was thought to be the more wild kind.
Yes, both Neptune and Bacchus were tempermental. But that's not how they nor their affects are portrayed in modern astrology and that's precisely my point. And to be technical, it was actually the Greek Poseidon who had the temper rather than the Roman Neptune. Although most modern Western countries like to think the Greek and Roman gods were exactly the same, they sort of weren't and although the Romans identified their gods with the Greeks, they viewed them differently and some of their personalities weren't the same such as the Greek ill-tempered war god Ares and the calmer and more level headed Roman Mars.
And actually it was Cronus who defeated Uranus and Zeus defeated Cronus. But I still disagree about the use of lions in Rome. They were used for a different kind of entertainment than the "theatre" which was still being practiced in Rome too, but feral fights and gladitorial combats were a different matter entirely. And yes, while both the fire and water elements can still be moody so can earth and air. Water and fire are still natural enemies, however. And unlike the other three elements, fire is the only one that has to be "destorying" something just to exist.
The normal states of water, earth and air sees might see them moving, but mostly sees them steady and calm. Whereas even in its warm campfire state, fire is still consuming something and destroying wood just to exist. So it doesn't really have a completely "calm" state and this mesn that when it comes to releasing its emotions, fire doesn't hold back and it usually comes out negative.
No, not really. Yes, but again there's a difference between being exalted as an honored guest and having full freedom and full control of one's home. Exalted as an honored guest doesn't necessarily mean "superior. Venus is also art, beauty, romance a little different from love , etc. In fact, the Greek and sometimes to a lesser extent the Roman goddess goddess was more associated with lust than love and lust is physical. I can admit that Pisces seems compatible with Venus but it hardly seems her greatest expression.
And also ironically, the financial policies of the recession were BETTER than the ones in and this definitely helped rein in some of the damage. This means that Aqua made better financial regulations and decisions than Leo. And I wouldn't necessarily say that Neptune was in detriment from Like any other time, there was a sense of hopelessness but when the economy picked up due to the demand for war materials, there was the feeling of productivity again and a sense of pride.
There was still a great sense of creativity back then American WWII propoganda admittedly didn't really begin until , but British propoganda and other countries did. The now famous "Keep Calm and Carry On" was produced in There were many ways people dealt with the thought and threat of war and escapism was part of that so I don't know if I believe that Neptune was in debilitation then.
A depression and recession are simply two different economic situations. To many, its controversial which is "worse" as they are two different situations led by different factors. Regardless, Neptune in Virgo was at a time of great economic downturn. Neptune in Aquarius is very similar Neptune was in Virgo from If Neptune is in domicile in Pisces And Neptune was in Virgo at this time. When Neptune was in Virgo and Aquarius, many lost their jobs, relying on government help or charity. So my point is This does not make it less debilitating just because there are hints of Neptune being there.
When dignities are examined its more about where Neptune is expressed at its best or the most and where Neptune is expressed at its worse or the least. When Neptune is in Virgo, Neptune's energies are blocked which can cause damage in the long run. Imagine Neptune, the planet of illusions in the sign of logic, work, and criticism?
Its not going to blend well. This makes people delusional, trying to escape through a sense of productivity but not truly mentally escaping or letting go. Neptune teaches us that sometimes we must let go of things, but when Neptune is in Virgo it finds it difficult to achieve this.
It gets lost in details and a lot of confusion of what is reality and what is not often becomes a problem. Neptune was in Virgo. So of course Neptune in Aquarius had better economic regulations than Neptune in Virgo during that economic downturn. During Neptune in Leo there was no economic downturn, in fact it was the reverse. The lower class became a higher class. That's the point. Venus in Pisces is the "Ideal" form of love.
The "superior" form by which Exalted means by definition. Venus becomes exalted in Pisces where it has the purest idea on love. Otherwise it would not be called an exaltation if there were not something about it that made Venus at its superior form. He was not as celebrated among the Romans because of this. He represented the tempestuous nature of the waters. Its full of waves and very unpredictable. And while appearing calm on the surface, something is always is happening underneath the surface.
I have a lot of water in my chart. Just like water, fire is unpredictable. Air is also unpredictable. My point is air signs are no more like Neptune than fire signs. And in some ways fire signs are more similar to Neptune. I think you misunderstood the point when people pin Leos with the "theater". Yes, lions were not apart of theater Human "Leos" are also entertaining, just like Lions Where we would best see Leo's entertaining energy in the modern human world is through the stage or in the movies. This is why when we look at the highly entertaining lion, we compare that energy to what would be evident in a human being who might have Leo Rising or in the chart.
They tell the story of how Chiron came to be affiliated with both constellations in two different hemispheres. I also explained the story a little below. So Sagittarius is very much representative of Chiron. Well maybe to us people who lose our jobs and our money a "depression" and a "recession" might be the same, but to economists a "depression" is the extreme of a "recession" and so is still worse.
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It might be contraversial to state which is "worse" by OUR terms, but since the economists are the experts and define the terms, by their terms Yes, Neptune in Virgo and Neptune in Aquarius were similar in terms of financial matters. They started in Leo.
The Stock Market Crash of was just the breaking point. Virgo is actually quite good at handling finaces Leo, not so much. Neptune might be in detriment in Virgo but like I said before, although a detriment is considered a weakness, it's still possible to be successful or at the very least decrease the damage if other factors align correctly. That's like a student who is naturally gifted at art but struggles with math. They might struggle with math but as long as they study extra hard and maybe get a tutor, that doesn't mean they will fail.
Virgo and Neptune can still learn from each other. Too much emotion is not a good thing and neither is too much logic. And although Neptune in Virgo and Neptune in Aquarius had similar circumstances Neptune may not have been in Leo during the actual Great Depression, but the factors that led up to it certainly was. There was no economic downturn in Leo? There most certainly was. That didn't mean they could afford it. And a big part of the Stock Market Crash of was caused by people buying things they couldn't afford The other factors were: low wages, high unemployment, high debt, excess of bank loans, and struggling agriculture.
The sign that gives everyone equal footing is Aquarius, not Leo. I still don't really see it that way. I KNOW what "exaltation" means. But I still see the "domiciles" and "exaltations" more like "home" vs "work" rather than "exalted" as "superior" since just like "feral" the astrology definition doesn't always mean the literal definition. Astrology uses the literal definition to explain it, but then adds its own explanation. And remember, the degree mattered too so even if "exalted" meant "superior" in the literal sense, that only meant that Venus was exalted in the 27th DEGREE of Pisces.
All others born in different degrees were not considered at the time with those Venusian qualities that the 27th degree of Pisces had. A domicile on the other hand, didn't matter what degree one was born since that planet or those planets ruled the entire sign. Servius the grammarian also explicitly states Neptune is in charge of all the rivers, springs and waters.
He also is the lord of horses because he worked with Athena to make the chariot. The popular Neptunalia on July 23rd was held in his honor as the giver of fresh water in the summer heat. The date and the construction of tree-branch shelters suggest a primitive role for Neptune as god of water sources in the summer's drought and heat. When the city had to choose between Athena or Poseidon to be their patron god, they chose Athena because she gave them the highly useful olive branch compared to Poseidon who could only give them a salt water spring.
This is also the difference in the characters between Neptune and Poseidon. Neptune, at least, was quite often regarded as beneficial and calm, especially in the beginning. His temper and affiliations with horses and earthquakes came much later after he was already associated with Poesidon. Poseidon, on the other hand, was ragrded as the god of horses, earthquakes and only the sea and so was just as tempermental and had very few calm moments. So in the end, it seems that Neptune's temper was almost exclusively after he became associated with Poesidon.
The original Roman Neptune was much calmer. ALL the elements have their tempers and unpredictability. All the elements can either be calm or destructive. My original point was that fire is the only element that MUST be destructive in order to exist. Fire cannot manifest without having something to burn whether it's oil, wood, etc. And that's because out of all them, fire is also form of energy. Earth, air, and water are made out of atoms and molecules and as such they can be just as stable or unstable as them.
Energy, however, constantly has to burn. So in terms of comparing only elements, fire is unique in that sense and water, air, and earth aren't quite like that. Yes, but fire and water are still natural enemies as far as elements go and both can destroy the other so that's not good. Air and water, though, don't really cause each other harm. But that doesn't cause the elements themselves harm like water and fire do to each other. In fact, although air can be destructive, it's one of the most complimentary elements and doesn't seem to be a natural enemy of any other element.
Too much air can put a fire out, be more often than not, air fuels fire. And air cannot really damage water and air, nor can they damage it. So air seems more compatible with water in that regard than fire. Fire and water do thrive on emotions and in that sense they're similar, but like I said, it's not beneficial when either element can destroy the other. Too much emotion will either implode or explode.
A balance between emotion and reason is best. As far the theatre But like I said before, the descriptions of modern astrologers don't really describe it like that and that is what I don't like. Like I said before There is none with the connection to "theatre. Leo wasn't regarded that way in ancient times. Well since I don't have that book, I can't prove or disprove it, but according to Skyscript which is actually pretty accurate in presenting the ancient descriptions, Chiron was NOT originally representative of Sagiattarius and it describes how the older civilization of Mesopotamia almost always described Sag in more vicious terms.
Honoured for his unselfishness - he had no equal when it came to performing acts of kindness - Sagittarians have unashamedly claimed this motif of exceptional goodness and wisdom as their own. But Sagittarians can never be trusted with the details. Centaurus, the Southern Centaur, is the constellation figure that pays tribute to Chiron. Fierce and competitive Sagittarius faces him from the other side of Scorpio, marked out by the Babylonians long before the Greeks traced their nobler hero in the sky.
Chiron was remarkable, not because he symbolised typical centaur-like qualities, but because he alone distanced himself from their wild and savage, lustful drunken ways. Not to mention there was a strong imbalance of class. There were only the very rich or the very poor. And the rich was very few. For some, especially African Americans, the "Depression" felt no different for them then there life before the historical stock market crash. Today, the recession affects more people in the simple fact that more people had well paying jobs. And as the article stated its difficult to say which is worse.
Yes, experts hardly ever agree on historical statistical evidence. The reason is because the s is a different time from us that didn't have the same way of recording things that we do today. Pluto rules over wealth, the hidden, the economy. My purpose about Depression Verses Recession discussion was that many see them as two different circumstances with only a few similarities. I was not using this evidence to credit Neptune's position in Leo. My point is the fact that the economic issues of both the Depression and recession influenced a loss of hope.
Neptune is more about this than the actual economic situation. It really doesn't matter which is worse. Neptune in Virgo and Neptune in Aquarius SHOWS evidence of a loss of hope and faith in government and the most reliance on charity than generations before it. Pluto was in Cancer during the Great Depression. It should be obvious that there was a transformation in the home as a result of economic downturn because of it. Throughout the Roaring 20s, there was not a recorded Economic Downturn.
There were a lower class of people, but no world wide economic downturn, not until when the stock market crash. And again, music was not only available to the very rich. African Americans during the Harlem Renaissance took a very active role in the creation and expression of modern music. The movies was also available to the public long before the roaring 20s, for many different classes. They had Jewish theaters, African American theaters, and white theaters.
So the rich were not the only people that enjoyed the privilege of entertainment. Neptune is more on those lines. It represents entertainment and creativity. Neptune is not responsible for economic issues. As far exaltation In fact, when the original exaltation system was set up, it was made to mean high positioned; exilerating and full of strength. While the fall meant weak; humbled. The sign seems to indicate a particular field of energy which brings "out" ex- and "heightens" -alt the planet's expression because of a special resonance with its essence and inmost intention.
In this sign, the planet comes fully to itSelf. It is fulfilled - its central identity galvanised, its fundamental purpose evoked, revealed and fully orchestrated by the zodiacal context of the sign. Whereas a planet is "dignified" in a sign which corresponds to its character and reflects its nature, it finds its exaltation in the sign which "up-lifts" or exposes the root of its various meanings and functions, while allowing full manifestation of the impulse in which they originate".
This is not the only website that describes an exaltation this way, especially Vedic astrological websites. Otherwise what would exaltation come to mean. Just because it represents "work" does not mean the planet is not at its highest state. In fact, we are more productive at work than we are at home.
We are accomplishing more at work than we are at home. At home, we are lax. We are comfortable, but not much world accomplishment happens at home unless you have a home like Mercury in Virgo, where home is also place of work. Work was highly valued, especially because it was considered the world of man, while the home was considered the world of women Poseidon was before Neptune, so I don't see how the Romans ended up reverting. But I know by historical evidence as I've posted above that Neptune was considered much worse than Poseidon.
The Romans did not honor Neptune as much as the Greeks before them honored Poseidon. As far as the elements Regardless, a destructive personality is not necessarily a bad quality, especially if something needs to be destroyed. So it works more "freely" in a sign and an element that would better accomplish its goal.
Obviously, in logical signs like air and earth, Neptune cannot express itself as freely. It is more limited. As far as Chiron being compared to Sagittarius But they are still somehow connected by astrologers. Especially because Chiron is the only Centaur to ever be affiliated with archery in Greek Mythology.
The other archers never had such connections. While Skyscript describes these Babylonian adaptations to the constellation to be wild, there is more to Sagittarius then just these adaptations This website shows all of the mythologies pinned with Sagittarius. In fact, all of the signs have expanded their meanings since Babylon. Time and humans evolve So to just pin a constellation with one quality is not necessarily the "better" way to interpret the constellations What we do know is that Chiron had come to be affiliated with Sagittarius by the Greeks, who honored Chiron strongly.
Personally, I do not discredit anything that has been closely linked to the signs. The reason for my considerations is because these adaptations give us deeper understanding of how the ancients saw the constellations over time The meanings changed according to their human values. Same in today's society. We may alter the signs according to our own human values as well. And there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, its more realistic to our everyday world. What is the point of following a system or descriptions we as humans cannot relate to?
The signs are not merely one package, but full of many layers that should not be looked at so simply. Let me ask this How would it manifest? In ancient Babylon they never affiliated the constellations with human beings. They never came to symbolize our natal existence. Anything in the heavens was affiliated with something beyond the human world. So when do we connect the dots to the constellations and humans? This is what modern astrologers consider when handling astrology. And although the recession of our time could have been worse in some sense, it was still the fact that our recession had better regulations and policies in dealing with the setbacks that allowed it to be slightly better than the Depression and the Depression was lucky enough to have used an industrial boom in preparation for WWII that eventually minimized the effects of the Depression.
And lol As well as today. Yeah, but then there are articles like this which does indeed say that although the problems of both the Depression and recssion were similar, that "there is a reason why it wasn't dubbed a 'depression. I guess the line beween the two eventually got blurred, especially since we're living through THIS one rather than objectively reading about the Great Depression.
ecole-lescadetsdelamitidja.com/includes/2019-07-31/4439.php And yes, that's true. But every planet has some influence on finances even in a minimal way. Neptune has even more of an influence on the economy than we thought Plus, although Neptune is a planet of emotion But yes And again So although things like music and art weren't just available to the very rich, they still needed time and money to dedicate to those things and it was precisely that lavish, artsy lifestyle that many people ended up not being able to afford.
Those that wanted to practice or play jazz had to actually BUY the instrument which probably cost the equivalent of a TV today. Those that wanted to go out and party, had to have the money to PAY for dresses, bands, decorations, food, going to the theatre and opera, etc. All those things made a difference and cost money in some way. Just like it's not until months later when the consequences of overspending finally resurface.
Very few expected the crash that began in , and none suspected it would be so drastic or so prolonged. It just didn't rear its ugly head until it was too late in But it's clear even between there was wide unemployment, massive agricultural deflation, and "buying on margin. I mean, originally, Sag and Chiron were considered separate but perhaps several hundred years later they were associated with each other and they are certainly associated with each other now.
Well, from an archeaology and historical POV, the centuars at least the ones in the East were usually depicted with bows and arrows and many shcolars believe the centaur motif originally were the ancient Greeks coming into contact with the "barbarian" tribes on horseback for the first time. In the Bronze Age, horses in Greece were usually used for chariots and were not ridden on horseback until the "Dark Ages" BC. Well of course lol. It's not wrong or bad that Sag has evolved to mean more than just a wild beast, but that doesn't change the fact that those were its origins and that the opposite is also true.
Just like Sag and Leo aren't just wild, uncontrollable beasts that also doesn't mean that they are just "the philosopher-traveler" or "attention whore" that most modern websites portray them as either. In fact, many don't talk about their dark sides Yes, but the Greeks and Romans then adopted their interpretations from other civilizations which again was normal and not necessarily "wrong," but they still at least tried to hold true those constellations' origins. Sadly, I find that most modern astrology sites ONLY make references to the more modern, watered-down descritpions of the zodiacs and don't reference their origins or original descriptions at all and that's not good either.
So my point was that although it's normal and ok for the descritpions to change over time, their history and origins should ALSO be taken into account because they were the first descriptions. And when modern astrological websites also don't reference those traits, that is also depriving the signs of part of who they are which isn't right. Yes and that is true. It is important to consider how the personalties relate to humans and to us in the modern world. But like I said, it is just as important to remember the zodiac's origins because that is ALSO a vital part of who they and we are.
And sadly, that is the part many modern astrologers ignore or dismiss. That's ignoring or dismissing a part of who we are and THAT is what I don't like and what my original point was. Astrology should take ALL parts into account, not just the good or modern. I also see a similar pattern with Neptune in Aquarius. The Great Recession began when Neptune was in Aquarius. This produced also a lack of faith and hope in the government and governmental programs.
While it isn't as bad to the degree of Venus in Virgo, it is very similar. To add, at the beginning of Neptune in Aquarius, the world was startled by the crumbling of the world trade center, which left the entire world feeling hopeless, confused, and lost. And to add, with the rise of all the natural disasters that happened within that time frame, there became a lack of faith in God. This created an even greater rise in Atheism and an even stronger lack in faith. Confusion, lack of spirituality, disconnection, hopelessness, no escape, etc all are signs of Neptune in a bad placement.
And these indications were more evident when Neptune was in Aquarius than any other recent time in history next to Neptune in Virgo. Aside from World War I which lasted only a year for Americans , Most of the late part of Neptune in Leo produced one of the greatest times for entertainment and amusements. There was a lot of optimism at that time, a lot of economic growth with more jobs being available than before. Women had the right to vote. The lower class were rising in economic wealth. As the modern ruler of Pisces , she symbolizes what's ideal, noble, transcendent, nebulous, and spiritual in our lives.
She is how we experience a sense of unity and sympathy with the world. However, she also represents how we encounter illusion, delusion, addiction, and loss. Neptune takes it's time to move through the zodiac, spending roughly 14 years in each sign. Because of this snail's pace, the effects of the transit may be subtle and reveal themselves only over time, or when Neptune makes significant aspects to the natal chart.
Neptune stations retrograde only once a year, spending nearly half of the year there, as these retrograde cycles normally last between five to six months. If you were to chance upon a text regarding Neptune's role in astrology, you would likely be inundated with its soft-touch spiritual themes, ranging from its ability to inspire heady artistic visions as well as pitch us into mystical whirlpools of healing. In part, this is true: Neptune has a nebulizing effect that can snap us out of our ego-identities just long enough to let a little universal love pour in. In the foggy realms of Neptune, boundaries tend to disappear altogether, leaving us open to deception and delusions.
While part of Neptune's tendency is admirable, in so much it generates a well-intentioned desire to serve without reward, the danger with planet Neptune is to dissolve entirely into the 'other,' sacrificing our ego-identity as we search for salvation. If Uranus seeks what's new while Pluto seeks what lies beneath, Neptune seeks the ideal. The placement of Neptune in the natal chart by sign, house, and aspect can describe an area of life where we seek to be redeemed from the disappointing reality of human existence.
This process is usually unconscious—by throwing ourselves into work or relationships past all point of separation, we may be seeking much more than a happy marriage or a pay raise. Somewhere deep down, we may believe that this area of life will lead us to deliverance and that by sublimating our personal, ego-based needs to the greater good, we will somehow manage to atone for our sins and be welcomed back into Eden. Neptune also involves a fair amount of fantasy.